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hmm.... you are wrong on all those points

it IS manufacturing. making it into a RIF is manufacturing.

and in some (most?) states you can remove or paint the orange tip after it has been sold.

so... ignore what you say.



Wrong...


I suggest that you are more sure of you facts before posting misleading information up on this site.

Please quote the relevant laws that you think exist or shut up.

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oh really.
alternativley, since I know I am right, as is EVERYONE else who has ever answered the question of 'can i paint my gun black', YOU find where it says 'you can paint or modify an IF into a RIF without having a defence'

it may just be the case that you are getting confused or havent read the full thread, but the original question was about manufacturing an IF to being a RIF

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Ettienne im sorry but your wrong, please go read the defense on the UKARA website and come back.

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if you could LEGALLY paint a 2 tone without an defense why would 2 tones exist?

however once you obtain a defense, then yes you are LEGALLY allowed to.

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oh really.
alternativley, since I know I am right, as is EVERYONE else who has ever answered the question of 'can i paint my gun black', YOU find where it says 'you can paint or modify an IF into a RIF without having a defence'

it may just be the case that you are getting confused or havent read the full thread, but the original question was about manufacturing an IF to being a RIF


Strewth….

You are really ignorant and up yourself here….

Looks like you have been giving out false information for some time…

Quote the Law that says you cannot paint a two tone ''Gun'' Airsoft. IF RIF or any other......

I suggest you read the origional question again yourself and then do some research before wrongly putting others down, and giving out false information, which it looks like you have been doing for some time.

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see what matt said.
ignorant and up myself though?
ignorant? no. I spend so much time on my PC on fourms and internet with airsoft in general, I would have noticed If i knew wrong.
up myself? probably :P

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manufacturing an IF into an RIF :)

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see what matt said.
ignorant and up myself though?
ignorant? no. I spend so much time on my PC on fourms and internet with airsoft in general, I would have noticed If i knew wrong.
up myself? probably :P



OK.......

Fact.... You can paint any Airsoft etc.. etc.. There is no law preventing this....

Fact..... Defense on the UKARA is to allow playing Skirmishing on what might be considered a ''Public'' Place.

Fact...... After the authorised time or gaming lapse period even for Skirmishing.... You can Buy or Paint your Airsoft, IF...etc....


They are painted Two Tone to assist in the prevention of casualties from Police Armed Response Teams. and ''Well meaning public'' Reporting...
You already know this.


Like anyone really knows if it is a ''Real'' Gun painted to look like a Legal Sale IF, or an IF painted to look like a ''Real Gun''...


Go ahead paint your gun one colour.... (Even Blue or Red)...... But I think most are considering Black or Gunmetal.....

Go onto some private land or warehouse with permission and away from a public right of way.... and then see if anyone can come up with a statue case or law to prosecute....


You know I am right.....


Now lets get on with having some fun........

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manufacturing an IF into an RIF :)




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Fact.... You can paint any Airsoft etc.. etc.. There is no law preventing this.... yes there is, it is teh VCRA act, see sections 36 through 38

Fact..... Defense on the UKARA is to allow playing Skirmishing on what might be considered a ''Public'' Place. no, it is to allow skirmishers the right to purchase or manufacture Realistic imitation firearms, whilst preventing the public in general getting hold of them.

and I have no idea what the last 'fact' meant.


they are TT to, as you said, prevent casualties from armed police, but if a civvie saw one, they would be right to call the police as the weapon would be in public, which as I am sure you are aware is illegal.
so with a TT gun, if the armed police are called out, you are less likely to be shot with real steel guns as the bright colours aid the police in identifying the possible threat.

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Ettienne just do this your way, go to the UKARA website and find me where it says you can.

if not i will just delete your posts because your so wrong its unreal.

feel free to actually prove me wrong.

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Fact.... You can paint any Airsoft etc.. etc.. There is no law preventing this.... yes there is, it is teh VCRA act, see sections 36 through 38

Fact..... Defense on the UKARA is to allow playing Skirmishing on what might be considered a ''Public'' Place. no, it is to allow skirmishers the right to purchase or manufacture Realistic imitation firearms, whilst preventing the public in general getting hold of them.

and I have no idea what the last 'fact' meant.


they are TT to, as you said, prevent casualties from armed police, but if a civvie saw one, they would be right to call the police as the weapon would be in public, which as I am sure you are aware is illegal.
so with a TT gun, if the armed police are called out, you are less likely to be shot with real steel guns as the bright colours aid the police in identifying the possible threat.



Errrr... Isn't that what I just pointed out.......

I suggest you read the Act then....


http://www.opsi.gov....a_20060038_en_5


See if you can find anything in there that: 1. Stops you from painting an Airsoft, If etc....

Skirmishing is not mentioned......

And you obviously do not consider yourself part of the ''General Public'' or a Civvie.... Then.

Strewth.... Just looked at your profiles.... Didn't realise you were just kids.........


Why don't you just go out and play with your toys.........

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ok then.
how long have you been playing?
how old are you?

general public/civvie being the same thing, and most people are not aware of airsofts existance, althuogh it is beginning to change.

aand to end the argument once and for all

36
Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms


(1)
A person is guilty of an offence if—

(a)
he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;

(B)
he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm;

©
he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or

(d)
he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to be brought into Great Britain.



part b (the smiley, it is the forums fault for it being smiley) is the one you want to look at there:
'he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm'

Two tone guns are imitation firearms. look it up if you don't believe me.
black (or other, realistic weapon colours) guns are Realistic imitation firearms.
thus: painting a Two tone weapon to black changes its status from IF to RIF.

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EVERYONE STOP YOUR BITCHING lol

look Ettienne cut your losses while your at it if i could really be arsed i could look though the mountin of words that is the VCR act and prove you wrong

But i have reaqd that thing soo meny times to answer this question

BUT do you know what after scanning THIS topic i have found something to prove you wrong

The Act has no effect on skirmishing, nor has it any impact upon an individuals' ability to purchase accessories, spares, replacement parts etc. It is the sale of complete guns that is affected. It is likely that a court would view the assembling of component parts to produce a realistic imitation firearm as ‘manufacture’. It may well take the same view if a brightly coloured imitation firearm was painted to make it look more realistic."




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Hi.

I am a bit new to this and been looking at this topic for a while. <_<

I can see Ettiennes point that there is no law stopping you from painting your own airsoft gun provided it is not an Imitation Firearm. B)

I think memcwho might have missed the point of the original post and then the slanging match started.

I have looked on the net and not found any cases that have made it to court let alone been proved.

I also figure if there is an exemption on Skirmish groups? then by that example in law anyone could be allowed. The lack of case law might indicate this.

I figure that it would be almost impossible to discover if someone had painted there own gun or has a gun that had been brought some time ago or had a painted gun and a lapsed membership card. :D

If it was used in an illegal act I figure the establishment would not even bother to pursue to see if it had been painted by the offender as it would undoubtedly be of less interest.

Looks like another unenforceable knee-jerk law that wont stand up in court.


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captain picard. face-palming.

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I can see Ettiennes point that there is no law stopping you from painting your own airsoft gun provided it is not an Imitation Firearm. B)


the point of an airsoft gun is that it IS an imitation firearm.
and there IS laws preventing you from painting them I already pointed them out!

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Closed, Painting an 2 tone weapon to look real IS ILLEGAL unless you have the appropriate defense i.e UKARA. End of. there is no way around it thats just the way it is.

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