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hi there ive been looking at buying a tm sopmod,does anyone know if they are any good.pros cons etc,what needs upgrading. Thanks Josh

i like my guns how i like my women,loud
My ops are so black not even i can see them

All the guns ive owned:uhc w700,src g36c,kwa 1911a1,g&g gr-16,Tm l96 aws,g&g cm-16,ics m16a3,ics m16 ras dmr,we glock 17,we scar l cqc, Ares aw338,

sr-25,we scar h aeg


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Great guns, probably the best aeg's available. Only problem you might have is batteries. they dont last long so get the sells replaced or get an eagle 6 lipo pack. Alternativley get the SOCOM which is a standard m4 and takes normal batteries, a little cheaper too

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thanks i have heard someone who wired it so that it took crane stock batterys.

i like my guns how i like my women,loud
My ops are so black not even i can see them

All the guns ive owned:uhc w700,src g36c,kwa 1911a1,g&g gr-16,Tm l96 aws,g&g cm-16,ics m16a3,ics m16 ras dmr,we glock 17,we scar l cqc, Ares aw338,

sr-25,we scar h aeg


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Just get the normal battery packs and replace the batteries with cells from 9.6V 1600mah batteries.

Brilliant AEG's, only issue being price when mags are considered into the mix.

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cant you just get a mag pipe thing to use normal mags? however i think it disables the bolt lock feature (same as with high caps)

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mags are quite cheap but batterys are 37 so bit of a wallet hitter

i like my guns how i like my women,loud
My ops are so black not even i can see them

All the guns ive owned:uhc w700,src g36c,kwa 1911a1,g&g gr-16,Tm l96 aws,g&g cm-16,ics m16a3,ics m16 ras dmr,we glock 17,we scar l cqc, Ares aw338,

sr-25,we scar h aeg


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21 a mag? what sort of mags have you been buying to consider that cheap? :P

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gas mags ;)

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if you buy it from combat south the do an optional lipo mod so you don need to bother with the standard battries




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no, keep the standard batteries but get them upgraded or buy an eagle six lipo. the quick change batteries are a great feature

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ksc 1911a1 mags 30 each so 21 is not too bad

i like my guns how i like my women,loud
My ops are so black not even i can see them

All the guns ive owned:uhc w700,src g36c,kwa 1911a1,g&g gr-16,Tm l96 aws,g&g cm-16,ics m16a3,ics m16 ras dmr,we glock 17,we scar l cqc, Ares aw338,

sr-25,we scar h aeg


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SOCOM (front wired) version is the way forward. Why limit yourself to an inferior battery system and very few types of stocks when you can get a better gun and use any stock you like for less money?

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Sir, if you are calling it an inferior system, you have clearly never changed the battery on it.

Why would you want any other stock? Crane stocks are great.

You can have pretty much any battery you want installed into the battery packs for the system anyway.

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I think hes referring to the connections as they aren't deans ;)
Must be a good reason, why else would you buy 3 socoms :P

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Even rich who runs Eagle6 says it's got problems, and if he's saying that about a feature on a SOPMOD, then it's got problems. It's not with the battery packs either, it's the power transfer system. I own 3 SOCOMs for the specific reason that numerous people out there who run the QD system batteries in the stocks on the SOPMOD/CQB-R/Recce have found issues with them after they've been used for a while. TM make good guns, their externals are generally perfectly good enough for airsoft use, but as with so many other AR-15 variant adjustable stocks (RS and AS), the Crane/VLTOR ones TM makes with the electrical contacts are hardly perfect in terms of their fitment around the buffer tube.

Unless you've got a truly nun-tight fit around the tube then your stock is going to wobble a bit. When that tolerance is the determining factor for the transfer of power from your battery to your motor and you're pulling the weapon in to your shoulder, problems are likely to arise as those metal contacts and runners start to wear. The plastic starts to get a bit worn in and as you pull the stock tight in to your shoulder, you'll may end up with a poor connection.

If that hasn't happened to you personally, that's great, genuinely, I'm pleased you've been lucky like that, but the fact remains it has happened to a fair few people out there as I've read the reports they've posted up. If it hadn't, E6 wouldn't be making reinforced/upgrade parts for that whole area of the electrics, because having read enough of Richard's posts and conversed with him a couple of times, I can tell you that the guy isn't some millionaire running a massive operation like WGC who can afford to plough thousands of pounds in to stocking products that aren't going to sell. There's diagrams around somewhere which illustrate the potential issue that can crop up, unfortunately they're buried somewhere in the behemoth SOPMOD review thread on arnies and I'm not going to try and dig for them just now, so hopefully my worded explanation will suffice.

Way around this ever potentially happening? Stick with conventional connectors. Deans, tamiya, whatever; once they're plugged in they're not going anywhere. Yes it does have its' down sides in terms of the work you can do and the parts you can fit to the front of your gun, but with a little thought they're hardly insurmountable obstacles. I'm not here to give anyone orders of course, just pass on what I've read and accumulated in my little bit of grey matter over the years. If Mr Cowin there decides the SOMPOD is the rifle for him, that's cool as beans. I'm just bringing a certain documented issue to light so that he (and various others who will lurk and read this thread) can make as well informed a decision as is feasible; and offer up my alternative option, since, in my experience, the SOCOM does work in a more consistent, reliable manner.

As for changing stocks, well I find that a very odd question to see on an airsoft forum to be honest, never ever had that crop up before. Why would I want a different one? Well.. why would anyone in the world ever want to change or upgrade any part of their weapons/gear? That's a massive part of the hobby, one of the largest in fact for a lot of people who don't have the opportunity to skirmish all that often. From my own experience, I find the absolute rock solid fit of a Magpul design with a friction lock to be very much preferable over a lot of the rather wobbly airsoft stocks out there. I also spend a lot of time looking down an ACOG or other optic, and I dislike the cheek weld of a Crane stock. In the summer it accumulates sweat and the rough plastic causes my face to itch a substantial amount, other types of stock out there cause me neither of these problems. So I'd ask you, why wouldn't I make that change? Why knowingly persist with a piece of equipment that I know to be inferior, if I have the available funds to negate the issues? That wouldn't make sense to me, but if you find the crane design to fit your personal needs well, then of course you stick with it, absolutely of course you do, that's only the sensible and smart choice for anybody to make.

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You make valid points there.

I wasn't aware of the issues surrounding the connectors, but as you pointed out, the stock works for me, so I see no reason to change it and the issue of components wearing - where you see fit to buy a new stock, I see fit to just keep replacing the parts which make one of the great parts of the weapon in my eyes.

I also have to congratulate you on clearly proving me wrong, without getting into a hissy fit and exploding into caps lock like often happens on here, well done, and Merry Christmas.

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Well you know, nobody ever actually made any progress in really making a point by acting like a petulant child, and in the world of forums where words are all we have you tend to be get banned and therefore permanently silenced if you act a fool. Whereas in real life of course (unfortunately) there isn't a policeman on every street to give stupid people a sharp slap when required.

But yeah, I can understand your angle, when I very first saw the SOPMOD being demonstrated at a hobby show in Japan the QD battery system did impress me, it's all down to personal priorities. For myself, I'd like the option to change my stock and not have to worry about any problems possibly surfacing with my electrics, though other people of course may prefer to have that bit more freedom with their front-kit customisation and the ease of the battery changes with the new system. If we were all the same, 'pics of your guns/gear threads' would be deathly dull.




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