Jump to content

Welcome to Airsoft Forums UK
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!
Photo

Airsoft lethality thresholds


  • Please log in to reply
33 replies to this topic

#21
Airsoft-Ed

Airsoft-Ed

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4442 posts

  • Guns: WE L85A2
    WE Glock 17 Gen4

  • Loadouts: Contemporary British Army,
    Light weight belt set up,
    CBA Loadout (Jeans, hoody etc.)

  • Sites: Regular site: Skirmish Airsoft, Mansfield.
    Visited: The Stan, Anzio, The Asylum, Brit-Tac Woodland, Tac-House, Free Fire Zone, Welbeck Academy, the list grows.
    See my YouTube channel for footage.
What happened to make them suddenly decide to come out with this? When has anyone ever been killed by an airsoft gun?

I think it ought to be down to the player getting shot at to decide what they can take, not the rather aptly named FFS. It would be impossible to launch a BB from an airsoft gun that would be capable of killing someone in one shot without it having a massive pressure behind it that would deem it impractical for use in the sport. This is just beyond ridiculous.

Just to clarify though, if the limit for a .2 on semi is 519fps, does that mean that a gun producing that performance, given a .3, would fire it at 423fps? Is velocity and weight relative? That's to say, will the reduced velocity produced as a result of the added weight of heavier ammo still result in the same joule output?

Edit: I wonder why they didn't just decide to reinforce the minimum engagement range rules? The entire sport operates on a commonsense principle, if you're going to tear someone a new arsehole, don't shoot them from up close. Simples. Everyone thinks the same and acts on it, so why do we need lawful rules put in place to reinforce what we already think, in a less workable way? It's like they're trying to provoke us so that when we kick off they can just forcibly ban the whole thing altogether.

Also, when my brother first got his Ares L85 it was firing, and still is in fact, at 370fps and he was allowed to use it, they just said he was restricted to semi only and a minimum engagement distance of 20m until the spring wore in to a more reasonable fps.

Need AEG parts? Click here >> Major Airsoft! << Discount code Bullet4MyEnemy for 10% off. 

 

Find me on YouTube: Bullet4MyEnemy
forumfinal_zps326d20e3.jpg
 
Airsoft News & Review site: www.AirsoftOperator.com
 


#22
Rock-climby-Dave

Rock-climby-Dave

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2372 posts
same joule output, which is what does the damage is the energy, rather than the speed.

Send the doctors home, I'll be doing the operating around here.

 

Resident Patrol Base Techy, any questions about PB, message me and I'll do my best to answer.


#23
Airsoft-Ed

Airsoft-Ed

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4442 posts

  • Guns: WE L85A2
    WE Glock 17 Gen4

  • Loadouts: Contemporary British Army,
    Light weight belt set up,
    CBA Loadout (Jeans, hoody etc.)

  • Sites: Regular site: Skirmish Airsoft, Mansfield.
    Visited: The Stan, Anzio, The Asylum, Brit-Tac Woodland, Tac-House, Free Fire Zone, Welbeck Academy, the list grows.
    See my YouTube channel for footage.
Ok, so there's basically no change at all then? It'll be interesting to see how this fans out over the next year.

Need AEG parts? Click here >> Major Airsoft! << Discount code Bullet4MyEnemy for 10% off. 

 

Find me on YouTube: Bullet4MyEnemy
forumfinal_zps326d20e3.jpg
 
Airsoft News & Review site: www.AirsoftOperator.com
 


#24
Cerbo Knight

Cerbo Knight

    AF-UK Veteran

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 513 posts

  • Guns: Cyma/TM M14, WA M4, Tanaka M40, VFC Scar-L, WA 1911 Marsoc /w Prime kit, Shuey custom Glock17

  • Loadouts: DPM
    OD RAV
I'm quite relieved about this, instead of forcing us all to airsoft with a blanket 1J rule like Ireland which frankly I expected, this has actually had a little bit of thought put into this.


Not that it changes anything for me, except when my Tanaka has it's bolt open all the way it's horribly illegal.
Ask me about general tech problems, I'm happy to help most of the time ;) I'm decent with AEGs, but my speciality is snipers, that being AEG, spring and gas. I'm quite good with GBBR systems too, WA especially.

Ask me about your Tanaka/KJW bolt action problems!
Here's a link to my M40 takedown guide, works for M700's too!


'No.' - Yotsuba, 47:17

#25
Leinad

Leinad

    AF-UK Starter

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 36 posts

  • Guns: KWA m4a1
    TM 1911a1



  • Sites: At a field near home.
    The Hill, Dundee
What should a player do If they already own a gun firing above 373 fps on full auto?

(no local shops to have it downgraded by)

#26
Finius

Finius

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1615 posts
Send it away to get it downgraded, or downgrade it yourself.

You presently own a section five firearm.

#27
Leinad

Leinad

    AF-UK Starter

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 36 posts

  • Guns: KWA m4a1
    TM 1911a1



  • Sites: At a field near home.
    The Hill, Dundee
Is there any way to lower the fps without opening it up.
(I doubt it is still ogver 370, as I bought it at roughly 370, but I've had it for a while, so I'd say with use it's probs gone down to 360-something) need a chrono, any where I can get one for around 50?

Also everybody must bear in mind that unitill written into an act of parliament, or set as precedent by a court case, then you could in court contest the result of the tests, making them more police policy than law

#28
Airsoft-Ed

Airsoft-Ed

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4442 posts

  • Guns: WE L85A2
    WE Glock 17 Gen4

  • Loadouts: Contemporary British Army,
    Light weight belt set up,
    CBA Loadout (Jeans, hoody etc.)

  • Sites: Regular site: Skirmish Airsoft, Mansfield.
    Visited: The Stan, Anzio, The Asylum, Brit-Tac Woodland, Tac-House, Free Fire Zone, Welbeck Academy, the list grows.
    See my YouTube channel for footage.
You could fire it on auto for a really long time, or fire it on auto, stop firing when the spring's compressed and then leave the spring compressed for a hell of a long time.

Depends how much over the 373 limit it is. 10 or so fps ought to wear off it with some general use in the garden or whatever.

I wouldn't worry about the full auto solution wearing out the gun though, KWA rifles are built like nuclear bunkers.

Need AEG parts? Click here >> Major Airsoft! << Discount code Bullet4MyEnemy for 10% off. 

 

Find me on YouTube: Bullet4MyEnemy
forumfinal_zps326d20e3.jpg
 
Airsoft News & Review site: www.AirsoftOperator.com
 


#29
joshcowin

joshcowin

    AF-UK Addict

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1147 posts

  • Guns: we scar h aeg

  • Loadouts: fbi type load out

  • Sites: Maw,gfa
i dont get how a air rifle can be sold to anyone over the age of 18 without a license,yet airsoft guns which are not as lethal as air rifles you have to have ukara.its a bit of a joke really

i like my guns how i like my women,loud
My ops are so black not even i can see them

All the guns ive owned:uhc w700,src g36c,kwa 1911a1,g&g gr-16,Tm l96 aws,g&g cm-16,ics m16a3,ics m16 ras dmr,we glock 17,we scar l cqc, Ares aw338,

sr-25,we scar h aeg


#30
Airsoft-Ed

Airsoft-Ed

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4442 posts

  • Guns: WE L85A2
    WE Glock 17 Gen4

  • Loadouts: Contemporary British Army,
    Light weight belt set up,
    CBA Loadout (Jeans, hoody etc.)

  • Sites: Regular site: Skirmish Airsoft, Mansfield.
    Visited: The Stan, Anzio, The Asylum, Brit-Tac Woodland, Tac-House, Free Fire Zone, Welbeck Academy, the list grows.
    See my YouTube channel for footage.
I know it is stupid. But Airsoft guns are replicas, where as air guns rarely are.

So despite not intending to pull the trigger when using either one to rob a shop, as it would give away the gun wasn't real, it's easier to use the less dangerous in terms of power because more people will fail to realise it isn't real.

The laws are in place more to cause people less grief at the sight of them than at the pain they can register. Or at least, that seems to be what the laws enforce.

But granted, it is stupid. Especially when you think about it in terms of, Airsoft guns being designed to shoot people with and air rifles are 50% of the time designed to kill animals lol.

Need AEG parts? Click here >> Major Airsoft! << Discount code Bullet4MyEnemy for 10% off. 

 

Find me on YouTube: Bullet4MyEnemy
forumfinal_zps326d20e3.jpg
 
Airsoft News & Review site: www.AirsoftOperator.com
 


#31
Klayer04

Klayer04

    AF-UK Starter

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 29 posts

  • Guns: Jg G3A3
    Cyma CM.30 Ak tac RIS
    DE M56 Tac shotgun
    Cyma Glock 18c Aep
    Jg Mp5a4
    Tm mk23 assasin
I know its a tad off topic, but reading the last few posts made me think-
'Cant a bank robber/gun-man just spray the top of his real steal pistol blue, to gain a certain amount of edge against victims or police forces?'

and thus surely is it not easier for a real steal to gain an amount of defence from ukara than it is harder for an airsoft gun to actually cause direct harm to someone? (Not including idiots who take them out in public and get zapped by the rozzers)

My second point is this : Would Leinads gun be legal if he fitted a mosfet which only allowed single shot? The weapon would be immediately uncapable of firing auto, and not any more capable than any other gun to be modified to shoot illegal limits? (For example ive seen a gas l96 in the classifieds with a custom bolt which can be set to shoot up to 700fps).

The question here is how difficult must it be to change the weapons charecteristics for the weapon to be legal? is a fire selector or fps selector good enough, or even welded shut gearboxes which cannot be modified?
'Were going over, were never sober: St. Pauls College, Volleyball Team! Volleyball Team!'

#32
TPI

TPI

    AF-UK Addict

  • Supporters
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2428 posts

  • Loadouts: GroundBreaker

  • Sites: Highland Tactical Airsoft
I think i read somewhere someone tryed to do that to bring a pistol into the UK but dunno my brain imagine`s me fighting hoard`s of undead super nazi zombie`s allday everyday apart from obvious times lol

2. a mosfet is removeable so say it take`s me ten to 30 min`s to change my tappet plate i think it is offically named by everyone but me and it take`s leinad 2 min`s to remove his geuss what it`s illegal for him to do it same as the whole two-tone thing really Ask The second almighty god of AFUK Finius as he is the forum legal begal

I'm Craig, God's Boss!
FeedBack

#33
Hudson

Hudson

    AF-UK Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 373 posts

  • Sites: F&O Khe Sahn; Otley. Brit Tac; Bawtry. Rifleworks Airsoft; Co. Durham
I think it's based off the RIFs initial state; however it was built and came out of the factory determines how it would be classed forever more; no matter what's done to it.
Much like you can't have say; a Real AK that's converted to single action, but ones built and designed as straight pull would be legal...

FPS; Also known as 'Faulty Player Syndrome'. The condition by which the user feels the insatiable need to increase a weapon's power; which is inversely proportionate to their skill.


#34
Airsoft-Ed

Airsoft-Ed

    Moderator

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4442 posts

  • Guns: WE L85A2
    WE Glock 17 Gen4

  • Loadouts: Contemporary British Army,
    Light weight belt set up,
    CBA Loadout (Jeans, hoody etc.)

  • Sites: Regular site: Skirmish Airsoft, Mansfield.
    Visited: The Stan, Anzio, The Asylum, Brit-Tac Woodland, Tac-House, Free Fire Zone, Welbeck Academy, the list grows.
    See my YouTube channel for footage.

I know its a tad off topic, but reading the last few posts made me think-
'Cant a bank robber/gun-man just spray the top of his real steal pistol blue, to gain a certain amount of edge against victims or police forces?'

and thus surely is it not easier for a real steal to gain an amount of defence from ukara than it is harder for an airsoft gun to actually cause direct harm to someone? (Not including idiots who take them out in public and get zapped by the rozzers)


This exact thing crossed my mind a fair few times as well, but I guess the law only deals with what is, not what could be. Obviously the penalties would be the same whether a real gun was blue or not, but I see what you mean. It's just that no one would try to rob a bank or whatever, with a blue gun because people would think it was fake and they'd probably be forced to fire it to prove otherwise, by which point it would've made more sense to just have it a normal colour. So this seems unaccounted for with regard to the law, simply because doing it would be pointless lol.

Also, you can apparently buy blank firing guns legally in the UK so long as they're a bright colour and apart from the fact they don't put holes in the wall, few people would know the difference between them and real guns.

Need AEG parts? Click here >> Major Airsoft! << Discount code Bullet4MyEnemy for 10% off. 

 

Find me on YouTube: Bullet4MyEnemy
forumfinal_zps326d20e3.jpg
 
Airsoft News & Review site: www.AirsoftOperator.com
 





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users